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Post by jazzpro on Jul 29, 2005 23:18:42 GMT 10
hahaha.. please dont make it sound like jazz driver is tight arse man..... we toking only abt aud100 here... sorry, i rephase that to "waste of our easy earned" haha i mean if there is a proven benefit, $100 is ok but if it does sh1t all, then it's a waste regardless u're rich or not. cant say like that in doing up a car... for example we all know that spoon socks is useless yet many ppl still buy them.... y worry? car is meant to b fun.... do watever u like.... after a few years its sold anyway.... |
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Post by ahcash on Jul 30, 2005 17:09:12 GMT 10
put it this way.. This product has been and put to a test of 50 people and 41 sense performance improvement... (82% in this case..) Best is to install the ground wiring kit as well and the different is much more noticeble.. Have a look at this link... www.the-pivot.co.jp/product/se/raizin-e.html |
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Post by Half Schumacher on Jul 30, 2005 23:03:32 GMT 10
performance doesnt necessarily mean only increase in hp or kw through dyno. when the voltage is stable, the time it takes for the ecu of the car to read its info is shorten, also more accurately... indirectly when u press the accelerator pedal, it has become more sensitive... especially in an auto car.... normally u have to press down lets say 3/4 of the pedal to change to lower gear... with pivot u only need to press down 1/2 of the pedal now... anyone uses pivot should know but i dunno y no one would put any input at all..... no i don't actually mean increase in hp. i mean if it can be measured scientificly that there is an improvement in whatever area which it claims to have improvement, then i think it's not a waste of money (whether it is value for money is another issue). otherwise it is a waste and dead weight. this is my point of view for all area of modification. there are products on the market like "magic rubberband" that is really hard to believe if there is an improvement (although i haven't personally tried it so it's just my personally opinion and i don't claim to be an expert on motor vehicle design). i don't mean to say that a voltage stabiliser is crap, i just wonder if anybody has tried it and what is their comment. and if they think there is an improvement, is it a proven improvement or seat of the pant perception. this thread is merely a request of comments. |
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Post by jazzpro on Jul 30, 2005 23:07:13 GMT 10
performance doesnt necessarily mean only increase in hp or kw through dyno. when the voltage is stable, the time it takes for the ecu of the car to read its info is shorten, also more accurately... indirectly when u press the accelerator pedal, it has become more sensitive... especially in an auto car.... normally u have to press down lets say 3/4 of the pedal to change to lower gear... with pivot u only need to press down 1/2 of the pedal now... anyone uses pivot should know but i dunno y no one would put any input at all..... no i don't actually mean increase in hp. i mean if it can be measured scientificly that there is an improvement in whatever area which it claims to have improvement, then i think it's not a waste of money (whether it is value for money is another issue). otherwise it is a waste and dead weight. this is my point of view for all area of modification. there are products on the market like "magic rubberband" that is really hard to believe if there is an improvement (although i haven't personally tried it so it's just my personally opinion and i don't claim to be an expert on motor vehicle design). i don't mean to say that a voltage stabiliser is crap, i just wonder if anybody has tried it and what is their comment. and if they think there is an improvement, is it a proven improvement or seat of the pant perception. this thread is merely a request of comments. very simple... try it then and u can comment... cos i have one in my car... and i know wat it can do.... but u cant.... u dont have to buy from me as i sell it.... no speculations.... coilover doesnt increase the performance of watsoever... but it does make ur car goes faster... how??? u can corner at 100km wherease b4 only 80km... =) |
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Post by Half Schumacher on Jul 30, 2005 23:38:38 GMT 10
when a part makes your car corner 20km/h faster, you don't call that ".......doesn't increase the performance......." if it isn't an increase in performance i don't know what is.........
unfortunately for parts like VS, it's not so easy to see the benefit directly so it's only normal that ppl have doubts for them.
btw it's not always possible to try everything to "feel for yourself". i know it is the best way to find out but if we do that for everything, why bother have a forum like this one. don't worry about discussions, just try the damn thing.....
ps. i'm not knocking the thing, as i said i appreciate if ppl who have tried it would comment on what sort of improvements it bring and the method of their evaluation. so far there hasn't been any......
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Post by Half Schumacher on Jul 30, 2005 23:44:22 GMT 10
put it this way.. This product has been and put to a test of 50 people and 41 sense performance improvement... (82% in this case..) Best is to install the ground wiring kit as well and the different is much more noticeble.. Have a look at this link... www.the-pivot.co.jp/product/se/raizin-e.htmlappreciate your link. i wonder what sort of cars were tested and their conditions. also how the product works on a Honda Jazz. |
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Post by jazzpro on Jul 31, 2005 0:55:52 GMT 10
when a part makes your car corner 20km/h faster, you don't call that ".......doesn't increase the performance......." if it isn't an increase in performance i don't know what is......... unfortunately for parts like VS, it's not so easy to see the benefit directly so it's only normal that ppl have doubts for them. btw it's not always possible to try everything to "feel for yourself". i know it is the best way to find out but if we do that for everything, why bother have a forum like this one. don't worry about discussions, just try the damn thing..... ps. i'm not knocking the thing, as i said i appreciate if ppl who have tried it would comment on what sort of improvements it bring and the method of their evaluation. so far there hasn't been any...... Look.. u the one who said abt dyno to proof VS ok??? so now u saying that coilover which does nothing to the dyno increase performance...... now u c where i am leading to?  same as VS and many other things... sometimes dyno doesnt proof it but can increase performance as well.... |
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Post by Half Schumacher on Aug 1, 2005 9:42:00 GMT 10
Look.. u the one who said abt dyno to proof VS ok??? so now u saying that coilover which does nothing to the dyno increase performance...... now u c where i am leading to? same as VS and many other things... sometimes dyno doesnt proof it but can increase performance as well.... where on all my posts in this thread asked for a dyno proof?? (or even have the word "dyno" in it, apart from this post) all i said/ask was "if it (improvement) can be measured scientificly". Dyno is NOT the "be all and end all" of measurement equipment. i think u're missing my point completely :dots: |
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Post by MRFIT on Aug 1, 2005 12:05:25 GMT 10
I have VS on my car, I had the ground wire installed at the same time. I am not sure what effect would the VS have on the car by itself, but with the ground wire, the car's throttle feels more responsive, I drive a manual, i heard that the effect is more obvious in an auto. The headlights are brighter, as I view the voltage of the car from my auto timer (useless  ), the readout is constant, movements are within +/- 0.1V........ compares to previous readout of +/- 0.3V as I spoke to a RACV guy who gave me a jump start (I left my lights on  ), he told me that the voltage in the car have 'spikes', this spikes can short our ur fuse, lights, just like in the house, sometimes the lights flicks when you turn on the air con, the main purpose of the VS is to get rid of all the spikes... hope this helps...... I am sure it is possible to DIY a VS, i heard its just a bounch of capacitors...... |
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Post by ahcash on Aug 1, 2005 13:12:31 GMT 10
That's cool Joey... At least this will give the guys some ideas of what this VS does...  |
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Post by jazzpro on Aug 1, 2005 23:59:59 GMT 10
Look.. u the one who said abt dyno to proof VS ok??? so now u saying that coilover which does nothing to the dyno increase performance...... now u c where i am leading to? same as VS and many other things... sometimes dyno doesnt proof it but can increase performance as well.... where on all my posts in this thread asked for a dyno proof?? (or even have the word "dyno" in it, apart from this post) all i said/ask was "if it (improvement) can be measured scientificly". Dyno is NOT the "be all and end all" of measurement equipment. i think u're missing my point completely  but how to proof scientifically when not dynoed? |
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Post by bobcat on Aug 2, 2005 0:37:39 GMT 10
where on all my posts in this thread asked for a dyno proof?? (or even have the word "dyno" in it, apart from this post) all i said/ask was "if it (improvement) can be measured scientificly". Dyno is NOT the "be all and end all" of measurement equipment. i think u're missing my point completely but how to proof scientifically when not dynoed? the butt dyno |
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Post by Half Schumacher on Aug 2, 2005 9:49:05 GMT 10
but how to proof scientifically when not dynoed? u seems to think that engine output is all that matters for modification. look at the wider picture. read the link that ahcash posted. on the manufacturer website (which is kinda bias i guess), and look at what they set out as improvement by this product: ¡PImproved audio quality. ¡PIncreased torque and response and power. ¡PStabilized idling and improved engine kick over. ¡PIncreased headlight brightness. ¡PImproved fuel economy. ¡PImproved battery life. out of the above 6 points, only the 2nd or maybe the 3rd point are related to engine performance. how good is a dyno to evaluate the performance of this product properly (and i stress the word properly). if someone is buying a VS purely for hp, i can think of better things to spend the money which can give you bigger gains than what VS can offer. anyway back to topic, i wonder if anyone/magazine reviews have really tested the thing to see if the manufacturer claims are really correct...... |
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Post by jazzpro on Aug 2, 2005 12:51:10 GMT 10
but how to proof scientifically when not dynoed? u seems to think that engine output is all that matters for modification. look at the wider picture. read the link that ahcash posted. on the manufacturer website (which is kinda bias i guess), and look at what they set out as improvement by this product: ¡PImproved audio quality. ¡PIncreased torque and response and power. ¡PStabilized idling and improved engine kick over. ¡PIncreased headlight brightness. ¡PImproved fuel economy. ¡PImproved battery life. out of the above 6 points, only the 2nd or maybe the 3rd point are related to engine performance. how good is a dyno to evaluate the performance of this product properly (and i stress the word properly). if someone is buying a VS purely for hp, i can think of better things to spend the money which can give you bigger gains than what VS can offer. anyway back to topic, i wonder if anyone/magazine reviews have really tested the thing to see if the manufacturer claims are really correct...... OMG..... read ur own posts carefully please.... u say this then that then this.... please find where i stated that the VS increases engine output and that's all that matters to me? how old r u man? |
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Post by Half Schumacher on Aug 2, 2005 13:31:43 GMT 10
wtf.... i asked for comments from users but all u told me was to buy one and tried for myself, which was very helpful indeed..... then i asked whether if they really do what they claimed ie. if there is really increase in performance on the area they outlined. but u seems to think that i want a dyno proof. when i pointed out that a dyno doesn't proof sh1t for this product (which you agreed yourself) and asked if anyone is aware if any independent testing has been done to see if VS is effective. you said: but how to proof scientifically when not dynoed? then i pointed you toward all benefits which Pivot claimed and only one or two would be able to measured on dyno while the others have sh1t all to do with a dyno, you decided to ask me my age...  sad really.........  |
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